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[email protected] * * * * I do love TedTalks. Call for eviction moratoriums to be canned ... REIWA puts 5 ‘bold’ reforms on the table pre-e ... Top performing agents revealed in quarterly report, New Palace Interactive Dashboard for Property Managers, Craig King | Property Manager, Programmer, Tinkerer, Jindabyne mortgagee sale hits $79k over reserve. 0:02:28.8 How did that happen? View Hannah Gill’s profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. So, room to move is more around our additional fees, such as an inventory fee, or a letting fee, rather than actually touching that management fee. And I’m – and Canberra’s a really small place in terms of the industry. Hannah: 0:24:52.9 So they use their common sense there, but it’s certainly not the go to fee that we reduce. They’re happy to walk away from someone who’s only going to make life difficult for people in the long run. But that’s been the case here for a long time now. (17:37) – Keeping a pipeline of potential recruits. So they’ll just submit at the end of every day. Hannah: 0:42:58.8 Yeah, I think comparisons of business such as Uber and Air BnB are the no-brainers. See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Hannah’s connections and jobs at similar companies. Hannah: 0:35:25.9 We’re running it just because of the – we’ve got 42 team members in the office, so we’re going to run it as a, like a survey monkey. 0:00:59.6 In this interview, Hannah shares where most property management entrepreneurs go wrong when it comes to building out a sales team. Anything around me, anything I can learn I’ll take on. Public Sector & Academia Award: Bree Hills, School Principal, Canberra Christian School. And I’d love to chat with you. Hannah: 0:44:08.0 Absolutely. Hannah: 0:20:52.0 Yeah, I think two parts to it. 0:08:56.8 And obviously, for an investor, that’s a pretty big selling point. Jordan: 0:01:33.3 So, Hannah, I just want to start here: how did you get into the property management industry? For new business, Complete Data automates trails and communication with our clients through several platforms. And the connection first starts with awareness. Jason O'Brien. I think at the beginning I was pretty naive. Jordan: 0:06:53.5 Ok. (07:14) – Hannah explains how IPG’s positioning and branding differentiates itself in the marketplace. (16:49) – Hannah shares the details on the hiring and on-boarding process. So you guys are really in that position to where you have enough scale to actually experiment with these sorts of things. Hannah, if you could do it all over again, what advice would you have given to yourself at the beginning of your career in property management? 0:20:37.1 How do you view that property management – that property manager mindset and skillset being flexible enough for somebody to move over into the BD role? 0:29:03.7 So, I love that you’re doing that, it makes a ton of sense for me. 0:31:07.1 So, using that as one very small part of a lifecycle, that’s going to save – and we’re testing at the moment – but that’s going to save each team member close to half and hour work for every signup. Walk me through your thoughts there. (02:22) – How she made the transition to the role of business development. That would be the income. 0:18:48.9 If I can have a team of people that just absolutely love what they do, I believe the client experience will come naturally. That’s obviously gross. The benefits of our clients and our customers being happier means our bottom line has been improved. So it certainly is drilling down into what that actually means in real terms and how that’s going to make our clients money. Hannah: 0:40:37.0 Look, to be honest, I learn from my team. To get in touch with Hannah, tune into the show for her personal email and contact number. 0:15:16.3 Let’s say they’ve got $40-50,000 dollars equity, that’s going to buy you another investment property in Canberra. Hannah: 0:09:22.4 Absolutely. She joined Independent at age 21 and rose to the position of Managing Director. We’d love to see, sort of 10% growth year on year, with business as usual. For leasing, Inspect Real Estate is convenient for prospective tenants and builds a database of people. Really high-level roles, so I’ve recently recruited a role we’ve called, Head of Property Management Growth. Jordan: 0:32:03.4 How do you do that? WINNER: Di Jones Real Estate NSW. I found everything you just talked about to be imminently relevant and practical for our stateside audience here. 0:41:00.3 But I wouldn’t say it’s one or two individuals. Jordan: 0:03:21.8 So do you think that your background as a property manager – did that better position you to act in a business development role in light of the fact that you actually understood what it looked like to hand that client off and to hand them – basically have them get on-boarded, as opposed to just having the sales background and maybe not necessarily having as much context for what that client relationship looked like on a more long-term perspective within the business? So you’ll have to let us know how the results of that go. So, let’s say 8.8%. So I’m pretty excited to see how it pans out as well. So – we start at 8.8% and in our market, that’s pretty on par with our competitors. 0:41:26.2 So, I read a lot around that space. (10:47) – Building relationships with local builders and developers. I mean, I don’t think you can ever do too much training. And I’m certainly not interested in trying to poach or screw over another business, as an example. Whether you manage 100 units or 1000, this broadcast is designed to help you see the big picture and give you the tools and tactics that you need to get to the next level. Hannah Gill shares her top tips for becoming a trusted advisor. But again, by building on the value of understanding what the client’s concerns or main focus was, you could overcome the fee conversation before it really became an issue. 0:34:10.2 Acting in a very reactive fashion. Jordan: 0:00:00.1 Welcome closers. What about books, podcasts? 0:28:00.0 So again, on average we’re looking at about $5000 dollars per property in our market for a rent roll. 0:05:49.8 What does that look like for you now? Jordan: 0:28:06.7 But is that per year or are you talking about over the lifetime of the…. He writes in that book about an experience that he had doing high-level consulting for a CEO of a multi-national company. 0:28:30.8 And the flow and effects of that might affect training budgets, might affect conference opportunities. 0:36:18.8 Meaning, it’s opinion versus opinion. At the same time, surely as you’ve kind of got into that role and put in some other people behind you, there was a bit more training and scripts, dialogues, whatever it may be. What’s the basic math that you walk them through to illustrate what a property is worth to the business? Arcades Shopping Centre. Chapter 2 Marshall University Biostatistics Hannah Blake Check: is P(stunted | gill deformity) = is 50% = 70% No They are not independent of each other 1.e.Assume you were able to catch 200 perch. There have been for the last five or so years. Right? 0:19:37.5 But what’s interesting is people will still come to us because they believe in what we do and they love the feel and the atmosphere of the place. Ladysmith Shopping Centre. There’s no value in our marketplace if everyone can say they’ve been around for awhile. 0:42:09.2 If we don’t move quickly and innovate, the biggest threat to our business is ourselves. Q&A: Hannah Gill, Independent Property Group 16 June 2015 Staff Reporter Hannah Gill used to work as a deckhand on a pearling boat and sees herself owning a bar, but for now she loves being a BDM. 0:15:20.3 So then going back to them and saying, “What are you looking for in a property? We’d had a long term BD in the team and she left. 0:21:07.7 Currently, as I just mentioned, I’ve recently gone external. Jordan: 0:40:29.8 Yeah. 0:04:36.0 And I remember her attending an appraisal with me, which I fumbled my way through. View Hannah Gill’s profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. Jordan: 0:38:15.3 Yeah. Totally agree. Do you guys have a process for firing clients? If you were to bring on a new BD, would you have them doing a mix of both? And the insights that come out of that could be absolutely tremendous. A lot of light bulbs are going off. 0:42:41.3 But if either of those parties just loves us and thinks we’re the bees knees, it’s never actually going to work, regardless of what it looks like. Hannah: 0:45:21.0 Well we’re undertaking a complete overhaul of our website and our social at the moment. Which was really exciting. Page Transparency See More. But I believe that we’re in a position where we can be proactive about it and that comes back to conversations around property health checks, reviewing of interest rates, reviewing of equity in property. When we’re talking four and a half thousand properties – the end of last month I had four vacant properties on our books. Hannah has 4 jobs listed on their profile. That’s one data point. And then actually acting as like a concierge buyer’s agent service from the property management team. Jordan: 0:28:13.4 Got it. I would agree with you there’s a right way and a wrong way to engage and motivate. 0:24:18.4 They all understand the value of the management fee and the importance of upholding the value of the asset. 0:04:40.7 And it was probably the worst 40 minutes of my client’s life, unfortunately. Jordan: 0:10:29.3 Ok. (16:49) – Internal versus external recruitment. 0:31:30.2 For a smaller company managing, let’s say, 500 units, what you just described would be completely untenable. 0:00:48.0 In this interview, Hannah shares where most property management entrepreneurs go wrong when it comes to hiring and managing a sales force. 0:12:48.3 Because of the scale we’ve got, we don’t have a huge need to focus outbound and we really grow through word-of-mouth and internal referrals more than anything. 0:17:37.3 So, what it looks like, in terms of hiring, I tend to try to have a pipeline of prospective recruitment in place. (20:19) – Hannah’s views on temperament as it relates to hiring for specific roles. 0:43:17.4 I think in real estate there’s many opportunities for that. Both externally. I mean, traditionally we’ve always recruited for those BD roles, and even leasing roles, internally. She’s been in the trenches in the BD function and has worked her way up and has an exciting vision for where her company is headed. For property management, Property Inspection Manager allows us to provide detailed inspection reports to our owners and saves heaps of time. I mean, it’s interesting – we probably pay on the lower end of the scale in our marketplace – we pay our staff on the lower end of the scale. Hair Design at 209. Hannah joined MHA Tait Walker in August 2013 as an Apprentice Paraplanner studying with Kaplan. Jordan: 0:18:58.6 Couldn’t agree more. Real Estate. Not in terms of the management fee, but in terms of the overall rent, the area, etc. 0:19:53.8 And I think that’s a real reflection of getting the culture right. 0:06:44.7 So, really, the training needs to be holistic. Jordan: 0:41:02.5 Fair enough. Get notifications in real-time for staying up to date with content that matters to you. And I can give you those details if you like. Jordan: 0:17:59.5 So this may be somebody that you know for 12 months or 24 months before they actually come to work for the company. Independent (indie) alternative pop music news on the Indie Music Press Release Board | Discover and keep up with hot new and established independent, underground, unsigned and emerging music artists, bands, producers and labels around the world daily. When I hear those words, it oftentimes kind of strikes me as a little bit of a buzzword. I think seeing them overcome challenges they face, I learn from them everyday. I mean, obviously having the property management knowledge is fantastic, but as you mentioned, the temperament and the capacity to sell, I felt we didn’t have the right fit for the level and the scale of leads that we’re working on at the moment. This is actually a software you guys are developing in-house? Once I sort of found my footing, I put – I really defined the processes and the systems and what worked well for me. How can we free them up to get in front of clients rather than be stuck behind a computer doing admin. Jordan: 0:08:08.7 So what are some of the specific claims? It’ll be a week on a week off, and then a week on. 0:17:26.8 So, that’s not a BD role, that’s a role looking for strategic business opportunities, which they can then flow through to the prospecting and business development. We’ve all heard about AI, automation, etc. Well, if you’re listening at home, I’m inspired. So that’s really important to us. Because obviously with compensation and with incentives, it’s a really powerful thing. (44:15) – If you could do it all over again, what advice would you give to yourself at the beginning of your career in property management? 0:00:28.5 Today I’m talking with Hannah Gill, the managing director at Independent Property Group, the largest real estate and property management agency in Australia’s capital, Canberra. But that’s a really interesting point. I can’t imagine not being in the industry. 0:05:14.4 While that is really inspiring what you just articulated, I think for most people, they actually prefer to have some training rather than – I hear what you’re saying. Having a new BD team come together, obviously with two new people, the atmosphere and the drive is just, you know, tangible. Within the market, where is your company positioning? Hair Salon . 0:16:21.7 My team could do that, but I’m conscious that I really would like them to continue to keep building on the relationships they have rather than trying to up-sell and cross-sell to those clients. Spreadsheets? 3 minutes read. (38:38) – What is the most frequent objection from prospects, and what was your response? And that was ten years ago this year. 0:35:37.8 The idea is that the time tracking shouldn’t take a lot of time. 0:29:08.0 Taking the metaphor a little bit further, when you talk about the overall – within the management team, when you talked about the overall growth of the company, what is the trajectory of the organization? Jordan: 0:41:50.0 Love it. So you’ve got an open door to chat with Hannah. I love it guys. I heard him speak in the states. Hannah: 0:21:53.5 Yeah, absolutely. What were you doing before property management? Obviously that’s good for our sales team, but then to have the client buy another property that can perform better for them. Jordan: 0:31:23.2 Wow. For the first, sort of six months, at the very least, I very much viewed myself as a task based person who had to tick a box, who had to send an email, just so it was done. But it’s also a reflection of our capacity to have people on the ground showing prospective tenants and getting them into the right property as quickly as possible. 0:05:22.6 What I hear you saying is, being in a position where you didn’t have any training, you were able to ask ‘why?’ on the deepest level and kind of build, like from first principles as opposed to just having, “This is the way it’s always been done and this is the way that you should do it.”. Because you – did I hear you correctly? And they’ll leave long-term relationships from other businesses because they know that that’s available to them, even though they might be taking a pay cut. 0:14:31.9 So that’s probably my big project at the moment. Community Organization. Meyer Vandenberg Chair Archie Tsirimokos says there is also uncertainty for commercial tenancies. There are so many banal, generalized claims. But it obviously – the flow and effect is that we get additional business out of it. (34:14) – Motivational speaker and best selling author. Have you guys iterated through various compensation and incentive models in that BD role? Jordan: 0:10:47.4 So what exactly does that relationship look like in practice? 0:02:56.2 But then I thought I’d love to be able to get to the front of this relationship at the very beginning. I’m going to ask you a series of questions and I’m just looking for guttural answers from you. Absolutely. Pen and paper? Traditionally the role of a property manager has been administrative and task focused, which often results in clients perceiving them as low value. What area of property management needs more training focused on it? And he actually went back to that individual, that CEO, and showed him the reports, the CEO was incredulous. I’m just curious. So they’re incentivized to keep pushing to create that income that they’d like for themselves. Jordan: 0:04:15.6 So you mentioned that you were thrown into the deep end with property management. But a good opportunity for us is also that we have quite a big project marketing team. So that’s the thing. 0:01:18.4 As always, if you enjoy the show, head over to iTunes, leave us a review. Jordan: 0:13:39.2 Yeah, makes a ton of sense. 0:28:55.5 All of this underlying math, all of this reality is happening – the question is, do they feel connected to it? 0:34:46.8 I wish – I kind of wish we had done this interview four weeks from now, because I’m super interested on what the results are going to be. Hannah: 0:04:25.6 Well, with my predecessor moving to a different agency, I had a week with her. Hannah: 0:10:52.7 In my time as a BD, that’s when we really started to be able to leverage those relationships. I’ve really put a lot of energy into trying to build a culture that is engaging and empowering for our people. Hannah Gill, president of the Real Estate Institute of the ACT (REIACT), said the housing and rental markets live by a simple equation of supply and demand. And the capacity to think on your feet with numbers, with finding a talking point of commonality. And was able to replicate and train others with those systems. © LeadSimple - 2021 - All Rights Reserved. 0:17:55.8 And that’s exactly what happened with that recent role I just mentioned. Hannah: 0:14:56.8 Yeah, that’s the idea. I’m your host Jordan Muela, and every week I interview world-class property management entrepreneurs and industry experts who share actionable insights to help you grow your property management empire. So let’s back it up even further than that. Hannah: 0:10:34.2 Yeah, yep. 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